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frickaline · May 30, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people

Perhaps, but I'd much rather see someone carrying a protector title than a pvp title for a pve mission. They are more likely to have the required patience to work within a team irrespective of the rest of the membership (e.g. not as likely to haul off on other team members) as well as an ability to either lead the group or follow another leader, if so required.

Also, they are far more likely to *want* to be there versus the pvp people who find pve a chore that they "have to get done".

Stockholm · May 30, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

There is no rank in PvE, anyone dumb enough to flash rank trying to pick up a group for a mission goes on my ignor list.

Kern Wolf · May 30, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?

if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you.

Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions.

Tsk, tsk, such a narrow mind....
I don't discriminate; I'll take wammos, assassins, etc. However, I don't take people who are waiting to see if a mission fails (obviously, such as yourself).

I've done Prophecies, and most of Factions, with henches, PUGs, and guildies (my guild is small; I've done more with PUGs than guildies). Patience, more than anything (along with something called "strategic planning"--look it up one day), was enough to get through whatever the group needed. I've been in some "Godly" PUGs in FOW and UW. I've been in PUGs containing 3, 4, 5 people who were attempting that particular mission/quest for the 1st time (my favorite PUG ran from TOA to do Last Days Dawn, with 3 people attempting it for the 1st time). Been through some near wipes with some PUGs, only to have them stck it out, and finish the quest or misson. And if we DID die---so what? We went at it again.

I feel sorry for you if you feel like you HAVE to get it done the 1st time, and the 1st time only. I feel sorry for you that you feel you have to "discriminate" against certain people. Then again, that's your problem, not mine.
By the way--Hell's precipice: 5 warriors, 1 ranger, 2 monks.
2 Attempts.
Everyone learned the value of their 2nd profession, and what they could really do.
We took our time.
We did it.
feel foolish now?

Cymmina · May 30, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by DC_Ross_Dark

I'd Trust a r9 monk over any "protector of cantha" anyday.

Ah, but the Protector of Cantha monk would be more knowledgeable about things like enchantment stripping or hexes/conditions found in that mission/area, making them much better prepared.

sgtclarity · May 30, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

Ah, but the Protector of Cantha monk would be more knowledgeable about things like enchantment stripping or hexes/conditions found in that mission/area, making them much better prepared.

OH PUHLEASE.
That's a boatload of BS.
A good pvp monk is reactive, you watch what happens. If you get stripped then you wait. If there are lots of conditions, you cure them. What's all this knowledgeable bs you people are waving around?

But in any case, who's complaining about monks? Last I heard there were too few, not too many. You take what you can get.

Cracko · May 30, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I Know some guys who have R6 and they hardly played any PvE, just HA/HoH so they asked me to help em out in the last mission of tyria, so i went to Hell's Precipe (thats what its called right) and asked them were they were, later on they told me they were in the desert at Thirsty River... -_- now i do think this means something!

Samueldg · May 30, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

all i have to say is unranked people use the following skills...

endure pain
defy pain
thinks mending is the godliest skill in game
uses vigorous spirit and thinks it will beat a army of lvl 24s
MONKS USING HEALING BREEZE THINKING IT WILL SAVE PEOPLE FROM DEATH

atleast we can laugh at you pvers when you come to tombs...

but atleast with rank you may not get a garuntee that they know what they are doing in the mission but you sure as hell know that they know how to run their build effectively.

P.S. Rank has been highly demoralized lately due to builds like IWAY. I just think you should have some dignity and run something with some honor.

^^^THAT

is why pve players think pvp players are ignorant jackasses in pve missions..
wars running endure pain and mending generally are trying to take the AGGRO of the whole mob on them. they use stuff like "STANCES" besides frenzy ( which in pve will get you killed in seconds in case you didnt know mr pvp)
many of the "mending wars" you see are using vamp weapons. its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war..

in PVE, especially in early missions, breeze is used a great deal because it counters the conditions.. instead of bringing hex removal and remove condition a lower lvl monk can use breese on a guy and out last the duration of the negative pips in health.. its either that or a crappy orison spammed five times to counter the degen..

so yea retard... breeze DOES quite often save a guy from death in pve..
Mending DOES help a team on a war whos not using ene skills constantly..
and ENDURE PAIN does help a war take a beating long enough for the other players to kill off whats attacking JUST HIM>>>

B Ephekt · May 30, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?

if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you.

Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions.

7 Warriors and a monk can easily finish Hell's Precipice if they pull properly and aren't brain dead. When I brought my pve War through Prophecies I got tired waiting on a group to form (50 or so wammos and no monks), so I grabbed a guildie monk that was on, got 7 other Warriors, and finished the mission (relatively quickly) on the first try.

PVE is so ridiculously easy, 7 warriors and a monk can absolutely steam roll just about every mission.

Edit: For clarification, I don't mean 7 stance tanks when I say warriors.

Chicken Ftw · May 30, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Merr.. dunno why there's even a discussion about pve vs pvp here. I'll take a rank 9 person as quickly as a "protector". Chances are, he/she knows his/her build and how to use it. Sure, there's no concept of "aggro" in pvp, but if you think dragging fifty monsters together is a good thing, that's an example of stupidity, not lack of pve experience. A lot of the concepts are pretty much the same... you overextend out of healing range, you die. You split poorly, you die. Squishies should be targeted before warriors. Etc.

Anytime I see a pve player mindlessly accuse a pvp player of IWAYing his rank, I want to accuse him of ebaying his 15k/fow armor. It might be true, but you just don't know. So...don't. ;p

pah01 · May 30, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Samueldg

its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war..

/credibilty destroyed with this line

Chicken Ftw · May 30, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Samueldg

^^^THAT

is why pve players think pvp players are ignorant jackasses in pve missions..
wars running endure pain and mending generally are trying to take the AGGRO of the whole mob on them. they use stuff like "STANCES" besides frenzy ( which in pve will get you killed in seconds in case you didnt know mr pvp)
many of the "mending wars" you see are using vamp weapons. its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war..

in PVE, especially in early missions, breeze is used a great deal because it counters the conditions.. instead of bringing hex removal and remove condition a lower lvl monk can use breese on a guy and out last the duration of the negative pips in health.. its either that or a crappy orison spammed five times to counter the degen..

so yea retard... breeze DOES quite often save a guy from death in pve..
Mending DOES help a team on a war whos not using ene skills constantly..
and ENDURE PAIN does help a war take a beating long enough for the other players to kill off whats attacking JUST HIM>>>

^That is why some people who play PvE and PvP laugh at poor players, especially ones with bad attitudes.

Mending and Endure Pain are trash. Pure trash. Mending's regen will never replace a monk's heals. Might use it as part of a farming build, but it has no place on a tank. Don't need it, especially if you brought some of those stances you mentioned. Endure is nice,'til it pops off and you're -200 hp. I lol'd when you said mending is for vamp weapons. Uhh, it's called a weapon switch.

As for Frenzy killing you in PvE... There are some farming builds in The Campfire that use it. I personally use it for Melandru's Hope farming. Sure, it sucks for tanking. It's called using skills wisely. You'll die in PvP if you use it foolishly just as fast as PvE.

Any good monk, PvE or PvP will tell you Healing Breeze sucks. It's good for being lazy during Ascalon missions, maybe. Anything beyond that and it's pretty useless.

lennymon · May 31, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

you all feel better now? sheesh

ok now all you bambis and farmbots go shake hands! jeez! what children

not very many of you on either side (only the ones in the middle) are EVER gonna get invited to my group. Why, the most important reason of all, you aren't team players. If you all cant see skilled players as well as idiots are on BOTH sides and quit making generalizations, then I think we all know whether you are skilled or not as an individual player already.

/signed

Haggard · May 31, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

And since the new henchmen remove hexes and conditions insanely fast, the domination henchmen interrupts 1/4 casts consistanly... I see no reason to play with humans when the AI will outperform your typical player.

I thought that too.. If only Danika didnt spam signet of devotion (which they apparently fixed.. or not), and if only the Dom hench was takeable into GvG and HA :P

pah01 · May 31, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Mending and Endure Pain are trash. Pure trash.

Agree with everything else in your post and we all know that mending is a bad skill.

However Endure Pain is not a bad skill. Endure Pain has many uses - providing a nice save versus spikes when ya have it on your bar - it allows you to tank the trebuchet, It allows you to overextend.

In short endure pain is not pure trash.

Sam

Chicken Ftw · May 31, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by pah01

Agree with everything else in your post and we all know that mending is a bad skill.

However Endure Pain is not a bad skill. Endure Pain has many uses - providing a nice save versus spikes when ya have it on your bar - it allows you to tank the trebuchet, It allows you to overextend.

In short endure pain is not pure trash.

Sam

You make a fair point, and I'll concede that it has its uses... just tired of seeing people use it, then run in to a fight, taking a 200 hit midbattle, and calling the monks nub when their health drops sharply. x.x;

ayanaftw · May 31, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Merr.. dunno why there's even a discussion about pve vs pvp here. I'll take a rank 9 person as quickly as a "protector". Chances are, he/she knows his/her build and how to use it. Sure, there's no concept of "aggro" in pvp, but if you think dragging fifty monsters together is a good thing, that's an example of stupidity, not lack of pve experience. A lot of the concepts are pretty much the same... you overextend out of healing range, you die. You split poorly, you die. Squishies should be targeted before warriors. Etc.

Anytime I see a pve player mindlessly accuse a pvp player of IWAYing his rank, I want to accuse him of ebaying his 15k/fow armor. It might be true, but you just don't know. So...don't. ;p

very true.
ppl sometimes forget tat alot of pvp players (like me) played alot of pve before i started pvp.

deadmonkey4u · May 31, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Rank does not directly correlate to being leet at pve or w/e ;however, earning a high rank requires time playing the game and playing competently.

Consider this scenario: your in town and theirs 2 monks that are lfg (i know its highly unlikely) would you take a rank 6 monk or the guy that doesn't have a title? At the very least the rank6 guy probably knows how to heal well while the other guy you have no information on. Does that mean the other guy is worse? No, but most likely the rank 6 guy would do the job better.

Agreed with the statement that a large portion of the pvp'ers also have pve'ed alot (I personally acquired about 6mil in gold ectos etc..., capped all elites for my primary proffession, and finished the game multiple times before moving on to the pvp scene and aquiring almost rank8 and guild leadership of a top 100 guild). I would display my rank anyday in pve since I have no desire to earn random protector titles that would consume time for little reward other then the title. At the very least I would say the rank would make me a more desireable choice then a untitled guy (not saying that rank means more in pve then pve titles but it should still count for more then the average player without any title)

B Ephekt · May 31, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by deadmonkey4u

I would display my rank anyday in pve since I have no desire to earn random protector titles that would consume time for little reward other then the title.

Yeah, some people just don't have, or want, any other titles. I could personally care less about finishing every bonus, pointlessly wandering around the entire map, or drinking 9999 ales.

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Originally Posted by sedgewick

I don't bother to invite anyone that displays their Hero title in PvE.

If they're Rank elitists, then why even bother partying with them? We all know Rank means nothing in PvE, they might be worse than new players.

I think it's stupid that some people would deny a ranked player a spot in a group simply because they decided to show off their accomplishment. I mean, isn't that why we have titles in the first place? I could care less if you favor ranked people when pugging, but denying someone a spot simply because they display their Hero title is no better than the jackass spamming his bambi.

Sometimes the GW community makes me sad to be associated with it.

Bluefeather · May 31, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

I am not ranked and im not working for it and most probably won't until I am over with this game. But the discrimination is not only on the Ranked players. I was playing my 99th character (i'm exaggerating) and I paid a runner that brought me to Droknar and "walk" to Ice Cave to do the mission. I was only level 8, so I just "clicked" on every team and I was hoping someone will pick me up.

One team picked me up only to make fun of me because I was noob, I was "runned"

that I was no good. And then they kicked me.

So i decided to do it with henchmen. I finished the mission and I pm'ed the team leader of the party that kicked me out if they are already done with the mission coz i couldn't find them in Iron Mines. He replied to me that they were "re-doing" the mission because they got wiped out in the bridge and they can't still make it on the second try.

I didn't bother to tell them about the lever. They are too elite to be told of a very simple trick.

So, Ranked or not-Ranked is just the same. Ranked guys wouldn't play with un-ranked pve players. PVE players won't play with low-level players in high-level map. The reason: both groups think other people are not good as them. So, why the unranked guys criticize the ranked guys looking for fellow ranked players when they refuse to play with below level 20 players?

true glory · May 31, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Throughout Factions I've seen a lot of "starting R3+ only group to do mission!!!" and my most favorite from Dragons Throat "R6 WARRIOR LF MORE PEOPLE FOR MISSION, WILL GET TOP SCORE, INVITE AND I WILL GIVE YOU BUILD!" Pfft, give me a break xD just cause you give someone a build doesn't mean they're going to know how to use it :x I was was partying with a friend of mine and we joined just to see how it would go. Throughout the whole mission he kept whining and moaning about how we weren't fast enough and we were too slow and how we suck and so on and so forth, we ended up failing but had a lot of laughs on the way.

I think the only other experience I've had with a person who let their rank be known was in Thirsty River, I was helping some guildies through the mission and we had a few spots open so we decided to take a couple pug's. A warrior was requesting to join us and thats just what we needed so I accepted, while the mission timer was going he ran up and flashed his wolf at me. We started the mission and I was the healing monk, 2 minutes into the mission and I was about to keel over. The rank 6 warrior would rush into the devourers use Frenzy followed up by Endure Pain (all the while his health is dropping drastically) and then run away, literally 90% of my healing went to him! I asked him to try not to aggro so many groups but what did he do, aggro more -.- Thats the last time I ever take a wolf flashing player with me, granted I do realize not everyone with rank is that bad but please don't ever think it makes you any better than those that PvE.

But I digress, like a lot of people have already mentioned, just ignore those that choose to use their PvP title and create your own team.